Friday, June 30, 2006
American Indian: Questions about.
Questions about living with American Indians. Put'em here.
The pictures are taken at a pow wow that honored our school and our students. The girl on the left with Marcella is our granddaughter Iris. The girl on her right's name is McKagan. I met her when she came to school as a kindergartener and fell in love with her. When McKagan was born, the doctors gave her no hope of surviving, and if she did live, she probably would never walk. She has spina bifeda, which is where a baby is born with her spinal cord is exposed, usually near the bottom of the spine. She walks with hard plastic bone supporters on both her lower legs.
When she turned 6, we were invited to her 6th birthday party. Her whole family was there, except McKagan's dad's side, what a jerk, and her mother introduced us as "members of the school that McKagan goes to." She then asked McKagan's great grandpa to say the prayer. First, he told the 60 people or so about McKagan and what the doctor's said about her, and how he prayed and God answered his prayers. Cool, huh? He prayed in Kiowa and then in English. Marcella and I were honored by being the first to eat.
McKagan's great grandma was there, in a wheel chair and blind; diabetes is too common among Indians, nationwide, and our government is working on ways to decrease the disease among our Indians.
They had a cookout at the park, and we were honored to eat first. Of course, they had "bote" there, which is barbaqued cow intestines. But they also had steaks, hot dogs, corn on the cob, ..., a big meal. The men do the barbeque thing, generally. Back in the old times, when Indians killed a buffalo, they would use every part of the animal. Nothing went to waste.
McKagan has been in the hospital many times. The doctors at Children's Hospital always have a team working with special needs children. We have another "adopted" grandson, who was born with a severe cleft pallet, and Marcella always goes to the hospital when he has big time operations to reform his upper mouth.
With McKagan, she has had some unbelievably tough operations. The last one she had, took 6 hours. It was incredible, and McKagan was a trooper.
Now, look at McKagan's dress. That is called a buckskin dress and is worth upward of a thousand dollars. Family members are close in extended, large families.
Not all American Indians are "into" their culture, but you can see that both McKagan and Iris's family members are. I think American Indian students do better, if they follow their traditions.
I am going to put up a page on my website, for McKagan's 13th Pow Wow. We were honored as grandparents to McKagan. Her mother is married to a good man who is interested in all the same things that McKagan's family is. When you are honored, you stand by the ones who are honoring you, and everybody walks by and puts money at your feet. You don't pick up the money, but those who are honoring you pick up the money and gives it to you.
They raffle food baskets, blankets, etc., to raise money for the one who is honored. Look closely and see the drummers. Usually a dozen or so drummers drum and sing in Kiowa. I will be putting up some Kiowa singing so you can hear it.
Marcella and I have been to many funerals and wakes, which is the night before, where they gather to talk about the one who has died. They sing a few songs in English, but generally, the songs are in Kiowa. I'll let you know when I have more up. You can go to Iris's page on my homepage, which is on our webpage, and look at the pictures there. I've also have many other things on my web page, so I hope you enjoy it. I think our limit is like 5 gigs for a home page, but have 10 times that up. This is Ragan, Iris's mother holding Reed!
Notice the people in the background. Can you see the "sitting shade" that is made out of branches and grass? Such a shade goes all around the dancing arena. I've got pictures of Iris at this Pow Wow, last year, where she gets out and dances. I will include it on this page.
Elders are very important in American Indian Tradition. This is a picture of Iris's great grandma, holding Reed. Also, on the picture above, see the lawn chair. In Caddo County they are known as Pow Wow chairs. I cannot sit in one like that. I have to have one that has a bigger back and more padding. There were more than 700 people at this celebration of Indian Heritage. Pretty Cool, huh?
Grandma Mamie, is an awesome great, grandma for Iris. The Bohay family is an important part of Caddo County. If we could get her to talk, Mamie knows lots of American Indian History.
This is the Sac and Fox Casino. On the same area, the multi-million dollar casino is being built. The sign, is in front of the Casino that is being built. We have friends whose house, looks like the smaller, temporary Casino. They are in the cattle business.
Guess who this is? Reed is doing great. He is eating well, and, by the age of 4, Reed will already have mastered Final Cut Pro and will follow in the footsteps of George Lucas. Come on, Lucas is Star Wars; he wrote the film adaptation.
hope all of you are enjoying reading about American Indians, because I like to study it. If your class was taught, 5 or 10 years ago, I couldn't come up with that many websites. Now days it is awesome to read about how many Indians lived in the United States, or America when our first settlements were made. It saddens me to read about how the tribes were treated and how few members, many have.
They also have a category of tribes that are NOT recognized and are in the process of filing for recognition. It is a growth industry for people who are in the business of building and prospering off of gambling interprizes. I didn't take a picture of the NEW Sac and Fox Casino, but it is huge and worth many millions. Times have changed.
Who was Jim Thorpe and why was he important? Pennsylvania?
http://www.kstrom.net/isk/maps/historical.html
http://www.kstrom.net/isk/maps/dakotas/sd.html
http://americanindian.net/links7.html
So how many Indian Tribes do you know about? Do you think you have read about most Indian Tribes. Count these.
http://www.cr.nps.gov/nagpra/DOCUMENTS/ResMapIndex.htm
Here is one more.
http://www.critfc.org/
All of the tribes should end in .org, I would think, but not all do. This one is about wildlife and fishing.
Okay, now I want you to go to the Blues QFPD and I have put up a secret on the bottom of that page, especially for you, so you can learn to play the Blues, too.
(How does she describe herself as a California Indian.) BEE?
'Lost' tribes: Why must we prove we're Indians?
Miwok fight for acceptance
I want to study more about "lost" Indian Tribes. What happened to them?
so are our children!
More urls to study.
http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/refpages/RefArticle.aspx?refid=761573518
http://www.nmnh.si.edu/anthro/outreach/indian_l.htm
http://www.ewebtribe.com/NACulture/lang.htm
http://www.indians.org/welker/americas.htm
http://www.ethnologue.com/show_country.asp?name=USA
http://www.intertribal.net/NAT/NATribes.htm
Not Recognized Tribes of North America
- Amah Band of Ohlone/Coastanoans: petitioned 9/18/90
- American Indian Council of Mariposa Co. , petitioned 4/24/82
- Antelope Valley Paiute Tribe, petitioned 7/9/76
- Atahun Shoshones of San Juan Capistrano
- Big Meadows Lodge Tribe
- Calaveras Co. Band of Miwok Indians
- Choinumni Tribe, petitioned 7/14/88
- Chukchansi Yokotch Tribe, petitioned 5/25/93
- Coastal Band of Chumash Indians, petitioned 3/25/82
- Coastanoan Band of Carmel Mission Indians, petitioned 9/16/88
- Death Valley Timba-Sha Shoshone Band
- Dunlap Band of Mono Indians, petitioned 1/4/84
- Gabrielino/Tongva Nation, petitioned 3/21/94
- Hayfork Band of Nor-El-Muk Wintu Indians, petitioned 1/5/84
- Hownonquet Community Assoc.
- Indian Canyon Band of Coastanoan/Mutsun Indians, petitioned 6/9/89
- Juaneno Band of Mission Indians, petitioned 8/1/82
- Kawaiisu Tribe
- Kern Valley Indian Community, 2/27/79
- Konkow Valley Band of Maidu
- Maidu Nation, petitioned 1/6/77
- Melochundum Band of Tolowa Indians
- Mono Lake Indian Community, petitioned 7/9/76
- Mukwema Ohlone tribe, petitioned 5/9/89
- Me-Wuk Indian Community of the Wilton Rancheria
- Northern Maidu Maidu Tribe
- Northfolk Band of Mono Indians, petitioned 9/7/83
- Ohlone/Costanoan Muwekma Tribe
- San Luis Rey Band of Mission Indians, petitioned 10/18/84
- Salinan Indian Nation, petitioned 10/10/89
- Salinan Tribe of Monterey County, petitioned 11/13/93
- Shasta Tribe, petitioned 5/28/82
- Tehatchapi Tribe
- Tsnungwe Council, petitioned 9/22/92
- United Hourma Nation, Inc.
- Winnemem Wintu Tribe
- Wintoon Indians, petitioned 10/26/84
- Wintu Indians of Central Valley, CA, petitioned 10/26/84
- Wintu Tribe of Northern California, petitioned 8/25/93
- Wukchunmi Council, petitioned 2/22/88
- United Lumbee Nation of North Carolina & America
- Yokayo Tribe of Indians, petitioned 3/9/87
This is Dr. Don Ahshapanek, a Delaware, and his wife, Carol, next to him. She is a nurse at the Indian Clinic. His granddaughter is Rebekah and notice her "Native Attire." Dr. A., received his doctorate from the University of Oklahoma, in Biology, and taught university level classes in Kansas until he retired. He and his family go to lots of American Indian pow wows and gatherings. I have learned lots from Don about pow wows. Don also likes "The Blues."
Trouble with Recognition of tribes
These are important urls for information. You will find at these, much history and much story-telling. Add all of that together, you get learn about your tribe, the Indian way, and the important history related to all discussions. This is absolutely amazing, because 6 to 10 years ago, what is represented at these urls, were only oral stories and history.
This is a cool site! Click and learn!
Do Tribes Have Flags?
Tom Ware is a Kiowa Indian. He lives about 5 miles from me. See how many hits you get on "Tom Ware+Kiowa Indian"
Bobby Hill (No Kin) is dead. He used to live about a mile from us. He had a son named Darren. When we first moved here, our Darrin had his 4th birthday. Darrin's grandma sent him a card with 4 dollars in it. Darrin didn't get it. What do you think happened to it? Put Bobby Hill+Kiowa in google. What was his artist name? What was his art? What do you think of it? I consider Bobby Hill and his family, ... friends! I watched all of the children play basketball and worked with all of his grandchildren. They are wonderful. So, ... how many google-hits did you get?
Theresa Carter is a Kiowa Indian and an artist, as well as a historian. Her job is as a speech therapist. She, too, is a friend of mine, who loves to laugh and have fun. Theresa is a "Pow Wow Girl!" We did "dishes together, for many "moons!"
Put "Theresa Carter+Kiowa Indian" in google and see how many hits you get. Theresa is the first one in the picture, I do not know what her Indian name is; but she assures me that Indians don't get a government check every month!
THE DRUM
While THE DRUM is heard and those who choose to dance, dance, a pow wow or gathering is not quiet. Those who are dancing do not talk, although they may yell, the drummers are certainly singing and chanting. During "Gourd Dancing," men have rattles, representing gourds, that they shake. Notice too, that there are many who choose not to dance and choose to sit and enjoy the company, talking to their neighbors. During dancing, there will be those who go around and collect money for drawings. A Pow Wow is a busy gathering. There is no alcohol. This is simply not even a question. A gourd dance is a family thing, and the policy is so rigid that it doesn't even have to be enforced.
When Nathan gets there, you can ask him many questions about "pow wows" and "gatherings." He has been to as many as we have and helped plan for them as well. Don't be afraid to use him as a resource. Not only that, Nath has helped plan them, which I can honestly say, .... wait, take that back. We have helped plan for them big time. I just forgot.
Now much of the new stuff above the drum was added because Piyapat keeps me on my toes. She keeps asking me what advantages to American Indians have today, that they didn't have in the past; and I have thought long and hard on that one. Certainly, with all the new roads, they represent a ready access to pow wows across the state and throught out the United States.
I was receiving Program Director Certification in Austin, Texas for The Boy Scouts of America. It is the national certification program, so we had workers from the 4 corners of the United States. I became friends with an American Indian down there. I have no idea what tribe he was. I asked the lady of the Peoria Tribe if they had pow wows.
"Certainly!" she said.
Well this young man said something interesting to me.
"You know, Dale, I am far away from my tribe most of the time, but there is a strong response inside me, that draws me back to The Drum. So there are weekends, that I pull up stakes and drive half way across the country to attend a pow wow."
So what positive things that has or is happening among and in the tribal strength and it's members. I hope that you have taken the time to research all the stuff on the QFPD Indian page. I think that what you are seeing and reading on that blog represents the greatest advances to the Tribes and Individual members.
We know this, that as the Cherokees moved to Oklahoma, they were already the FIRST literate tribe, thanks to Sequoya. But don't OVER STATE that, because Sequoya had only taken on that task, a short time before he was moved to Tahlequah, Oklahoma. And it was there that he finished and refined the Cherokee alphabet.
So, count the years, to see how long the Cherokee Nation has been literate. There has been a push in all tribes in that direction, first at US literacy, which they have, and that means English. And as they accomplish that, the tribes work on keeping their own tribal languages alive. If you haven't seen, "Code Talkers," it was Choctaw Indians who helped defeat Hitler, because they were unable to break the Indian code.
Do a google on Sequoya. Ask A. Cec to order the Johnny Cash CD named "Ira Hayes." But you must listen to all the songs on the CD. Cash has done a great job of producing some artful, truthfulness of the history of our Nation's PAST record with the Indian Tribes, and now we must view the present nature of the government with the tribes. Beg for your patience as you read the important dialogue which is about to confront you.
"Dad," Nathan said in November 1995+/-. "We need to get a computer that can get us on the Internet. That is the direction that the computer industry is moving."
"What would that entail, and why should I be interested in a new computer? My TRS-80 Model IVP is doing for me, for what I want it to do. We would have to pay a monthly fee, for an ISP, a better computer. It's not happening. As long as I can slam my brother Cecil and I can get published, I'm happy."
"But, Dad, if we got on line, we could put a website up for Sunset Elementary, and Sunset would have the first web page in the school."
That was in October. Before Thanksgiving, Sunset had a computer hooked up to the Internet in the library. My hands were tied.
One month later, we had a new computer, an ISP, and over the Christmas Break, we had a webpage up for Sunset with lots of fun pictures, that were filled with students waving at the camera. 80% of Sunset Elementary students are Indian. But the web page wasn't ready to go on-line.
"Ring, Ring." The phone rings at my desk. I pick it up.
"Hello?"
"Mr. Hill, this is Roy Snow (the superintendent of the school at that time) and I have been looking at Sunset's web page. I want you to get that on line on the ISP so our families who have computers can access that webpage. It is a great webpage." And so it was.
At the same time, the Caddo Kiowa Vo-Tech, in Fort Cobb, was using the Sunset Webpage as an example of what web presence could do for a school district, business, and even a family.
"You know, Mr. Hill," said a patron. "I have been looking at Sunset's webpage, and their is some pretty heavy htmling going on their." I smiled. He was talking to the wrong man. Nathan was the one, who was teaching me.
Through the next 5 years, there was no web presence for our Tribal Headquarters. Add that up. In the year 2000, there was no web presence, essentially, for American Indians. It is now 2007 and visit the new entries on QFPD American Indians. The change has been breath-taking, when it comes to American Indians and their presence on the Internet.
So what does that mean. It means a lot; even for Piyata and the students in Thailand. I haven't even made a feather's width on the Indian Culture that is on the Web now. As tribes research and define their culture, they gain knowledge, which allows more cohesiveness throughout their tribal members. And with that, comes pride.
I know that not all tribal members have access to the web, but open web computers at the Tribal Complex allow members to become familiar with computers and learn about their tribal history and culture. Learning about their culture, will motivate young tribal members to learn to use computers and become interested in education.
We simply cannot emphasize enough, that the influence of successful tribal members, getting their college degrees, will have on younger tribal members. Tribal Casinos offer well paying jobs. Unfortunately, the jobs, too often, lead to cash payments and no W-II Forms. Cash on hand can lead to deadly results. Iris's aunt worked in the Casino in Lawton. Her next door neighbors knew that she carried large amounts of cash. They broke in and killed her and her husband for the Casino cash.
I don't think my kids are different than any others. All students, with access to computers will become interested in them. There has never, ever been a problem with our kids dealing with porn on the computers. They were interested in learning from the computers, writing, and being productive. Given that learning, students don't have to be drawn in to "My Space" to find an on-line chat person.
Public schools and parents can reduce the possibility of going to the wrong areas of the Internet, by giving students important learning activities using the Net. Google is a great help. "google" is now a verb, officially added to the English, unabridged dictionary that they keep in Great Britain. But the same word is used in every language, and it does the same thing.
So, ... I hope this answers some of your questions Piyapat. I appreciate your questions, and it is possible that you are the reason, I simply cannot sleep at night. I slept for 2 hours and woke up suddenly, at 1:30 am. An Ernest Tubb song goes,
"Thanks thanks a lot I got a broken heart that's all I've got
You made me cry now I cried a lot I lost your love baby thanks a lot
You told our friend as I was passin' by that you're not sorry that you made me cry
You said I deserve just what I got well if that's how you feel honey thanks a lot
Thanks thanks a lot...
[ guitar ]
You wanted a fool and I played the part now all I've got is a broken heart
We loved a little and laughed a lot then you were gone honey thanks a lot
Thanks thanks a lot..."
Nah, it doesn't apply to this situation, but it is a good song to sing, when someone gives you an assignment that you have to work at, to keep you on your toes.
Casino's require a special type of expertise, which has little to do with higher educational requirements. The jobs they offer are stagnative in nature. All the casinos in the world will not offer the type of incentive to get a better education, which will affect their immediate family, but also future members of their families
Once they have the black-jack dealers for every shift, they don't need any more. It is highly unlikely, that these jobs will see growth. The casinos are built to be as big as they are going to be. Again, the economic law of supply and demand, means that as more casinos come on board, at some point the demand will level off.
Already,we are seeing casinos fighting each other to draw the bigger crowds by giving away cars, or by booking Country Music acts, and boxing matches to attract bigger crowds.
We don't go to casinos. If we went to hear a music group, we would go for that only and would do no gambling. So, when students like Piyapat has questions on how casinos will help tribes provide better jobs, the cynicism is justified. But remember, that the money that flows through the tribes, means money for smart students in the form of scholarships and educational retreats.
From an Indian Art Website on Bobby Hill.Original American Indian Stories
The above url actually takes you to Anadarko. Dale Talkington is a 1950 graduate of Anadarko High School. This past year, he presented me a framed copy of the Time magazine where my name captured the Front Page Topic quote on the letters page, and then my letter-to-the-editor below it. He now uses the Internet as a home for all things Anadarko. By cutting back / in the subject line, to just the one with the tild~ and you will find his main page. There are plenty of stories to read. Dale lives in Texas now, and looks nothing like me, ..,or A C. .
Comanche artist and flute player Doc Tate Nevaquaya is from Apache, a maker of Indian flutes. Apache, named after the Indians, is 10 miles from us, and we have met Doc Tate.
Thanks, Piyapat.
I've been waiting for August to surprise you all, and the surprise is up. You can now find it at the new blog on The North American Indian Exposition held every year here in Anadarko. There is no other event like this that happens in Oklahoma, although, in OKC, they have Red Earth; but that is a weekend of dancing and really is more of an effort by the state to use our American Indian Heritage to bring in visitors and money. Remember, The Indian Exposition was originally conceived and has always functioned as an Indian event for and by American Indians. Yes, we draw visitors, but it really is a week long festival celebrating American Indian Culture.
So the blog is up. Go and look at it. Any questions, send them my way. I will get out and take some pictures of the displays out at the fair ground. Have fun. You are one lucky group of students. The blog is entitled, "North American Indian Exposition."
So the blog is up. Go and look at it. Any questions, send them my way. I will get out and take some pictures of the displays out at the fair ground. Have fun. You are one lucky group of students. The blog is entitled, "North American Indian Exposition."
Portions of this narrative are
(c) 2006 Dale Hill
(c) 2006 Dale Hill
# posted by Papa Dale @ 3:21 AM 
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I cannot find all those Indian City pictures I took when we visited you guys. When I find them I will put some up as well. Remember we watched the National Champion Hoop Dancer. Indian City also has a lot of great Indian lodges I can show.
Good idea with this blog on Indians.
Good idea with this blog on Indians.
Cec,
I have never gone out their and taken pictures with a digital camera. I'm not sure that I could walk the paths of the tour. As I write this, I was in bed with a thermophore on my left leg. I'm sure Marcella would love to go out and take the tour and get pictures for these blogs.
CCharpman
I have never gone out their and taken pictures with a digital camera. I'm not sure that I could walk the paths of the tour. As I write this, I was in bed with a thermophore on my left leg. I'm sure Marcella would love to go out and take the tour and get pictures for these blogs.
CCharpman
Ann,
Mr. C, went to school at Tonkawa. Of course, the town was named after the Indian Tribe. If you noticed on lots of subject, they cannot be activated by clicking.
Most American Indian Tribes are only beginning to use the Internet. Back in 1997, there were no, zip, nyet, NOT, any Tribal webpages. Mine still remains the largest website in Caddo County.
Ann, ... Mr. C. has given me the names of all the students. I can't find an Ann, so send me your real name.
But, ... I am impressed, big time, with what the webmaster has up, including an effort at unlocking the Tonkawa language.
It just astounds me that every tribe has a different language. Historians believe the American Indians, came across from Europe and Asia, through the, now frozen artic gateway and came down here to live. So, ... that doesn't jive with every tribe having their own language. Theories are theories and this theory, to me, just doesn't hold up.
But, look at all the stuff they have on their tribe, including the effort what they ate and lots of history. The Tonkawa Tribe were the masters of trailing deer and buffalo. They were master trackers, and that almost led to their demise. (END) I would be very surprised if they have a lot of members.
Each tribe decides what percent of Indian you have, before they put you on the roll. I would bet that the Tonkawa Tribe allows 1/8th or even 1/16 to be on their roll.
Here is what I would do. I would go to each accessable site on the Tonkawa Webpage, and I would select it all and copy it, and then paste it to you work area. After you have done that, Save it as Tonkawa. I would leave that open, and start another file.
Now you can begin your article, and this is the funnest part. Read each part and put down what is important. in your own words, and what you want to report on. This is the most important thing to do when you are a free-lance writer.
What you want to do, is make a report that can be easily read. They have great pictures which you can download. I am impressed with their website and figure, over time, they will have an excellent website.
Right across from Tonkawa is a business started by a Tonkawa man, and he makes "awesome" Christmas displays with lights. I was responsible for getting him to make a great OU sign, for the Anadarko Park, during Christams season. What they do, is take "rebar," those long round strips of reinforcement iron peices about 5 foot high, that you put in concrete to keep it from cracking.
Then they bend and weld those things together, and then run them through a iron sanding machine, then paint them white. On these, they put a long plastic tube that they can run the lights through it. Once done, they sell them.
They make lots of reigndeers, Christmas Trees, and other Christmasmy figures. It's beautiful.
You can email me at okharpman@hotmail.com if you need any help on your project. Sounds like you are doing great. Remember, the Tonkawa Indians were important to the Army, in tracking other Indians, so the Indians from the other tribes killed as many of the Tonkawa Tribe as they could.
Also in Kay County, they have the Ponca Tribe, and the Kaw Tribal headquarters. If you look at an oklahoma map with counties, every county that has an unusual name, was named after an Indian tribe. Not OKC or Tulsa.
Generally, if you email, "webmaster@tonkawa.com" somebody will have to get it.
Good luck
Papa Dale
Mr. C, went to school at Tonkawa. Of course, the town was named after the Indian Tribe. If you noticed on lots of subject, they cannot be activated by clicking.
Most American Indian Tribes are only beginning to use the Internet. Back in 1997, there were no, zip, nyet, NOT, any Tribal webpages. Mine still remains the largest website in Caddo County.
Ann, ... Mr. C. has given me the names of all the students. I can't find an Ann, so send me your real name.
But, ... I am impressed, big time, with what the webmaster has up, including an effort at unlocking the Tonkawa language.
It just astounds me that every tribe has a different language. Historians believe the American Indians, came across from Europe and Asia, through the, now frozen artic gateway and came down here to live. So, ... that doesn't jive with every tribe having their own language. Theories are theories and this theory, to me, just doesn't hold up.
But, look at all the stuff they have on their tribe, including the effort what they ate and lots of history. The Tonkawa Tribe were the masters of trailing deer and buffalo. They were master trackers, and that almost led to their demise. (END) I would be very surprised if they have a lot of members.
Each tribe decides what percent of Indian you have, before they put you on the roll. I would bet that the Tonkawa Tribe allows 1/8th or even 1/16 to be on their roll.
Here is what I would do. I would go to each accessable site on the Tonkawa Webpage, and I would select it all and copy it, and then paste it to you work area. After you have done that, Save it as Tonkawa. I would leave that open, and start another file.
Now you can begin your article, and this is the funnest part. Read each part and put down what is important. in your own words, and what you want to report on. This is the most important thing to do when you are a free-lance writer.
What you want to do, is make a report that can be easily read. They have great pictures which you can download. I am impressed with their website and figure, over time, they will have an excellent website.
Right across from Tonkawa is a business started by a Tonkawa man, and he makes "awesome" Christmas displays with lights. I was responsible for getting him to make a great OU sign, for the Anadarko Park, during Christams season. What they do, is take "rebar," those long round strips of reinforcement iron peices about 5 foot high, that you put in concrete to keep it from cracking.
Then they bend and weld those things together, and then run them through a iron sanding machine, then paint them white. On these, they put a long plastic tube that they can run the lights through it. Once done, they sell them.
They make lots of reigndeers, Christmas Trees, and other Christmasmy figures. It's beautiful.
You can email me at okharpman@hotmail.com if you need any help on your project. Sounds like you are doing great. Remember, the Tonkawa Indians were important to the Army, in tracking other Indians, so the Indians from the other tribes killed as many of the Tonkawa Tribe as they could.
Also in Kay County, they have the Ponca Tribe, and the Kaw Tribal headquarters. If you look at an oklahoma map with counties, every county that has an unusual name, was named after an Indian tribe. Not OKC or Tulsa.
Generally, if you email, "webmaster@tonkawa.com" somebody will have to get it.
Good luck
Papa Dale
Ann,
I'm betting that The Tonkawa Tribal Headquarters is small. I think if you email them webmaster@tonkawatribe.com, the email has to land in the designers email box. But, then, we are talking about Friday. I will call them tomorrow and see what is going on. Yep, Bro Cec, went there, my mother, and our oldest son went there. It is a 2 year junior college. Don't aske A Cec, all the colleges he went to, because it would fill up to pages of #8 Pica, for him to list all the schools he's gone to.
Did you read what I put on the QPDINDIAN the blogg. It is there fore you. Study what you can get on the tribe, from the webpage and tomorrow, I will call them. 8-0
I'm betting that The Tonkawa Tribal Headquarters is small. I think if you email them webmaster@tonkawatribe.com, the email has to land in the designers email box. But, then, we are talking about Friday. I will call them tomorrow and see what is going on. Yep, Bro Cec, went there, my mother, and our oldest son went there. It is a 2 year junior college. Don't aske A Cec, all the colleges he went to, because it would fill up to pages of #8 Pica, for him to list all the schools he's gone to.
Did you read what I put on the QPDINDIAN the blogg. It is there fore you. Study what you can get on the tribe, from the webpage and tomorrow, I will call them. 8-0
Great great news, ms. ann. Ask Christine Baker your questions. They are really great and important questions!!!!
Christine Baker is a primary source!!!! I have no idea about the casinos and if I were an INdian in Oklahoma and someone from Thailand asked me, I would be very excited about telling them all they wanted to know. Send your questions (everything we may want to know) to Christine. Find out why there are only 520+ left. What happened to them? You got a primary source who wants to help so ask everything!!!!!!
Christine Baker is a primary source!!!! I have no idea about the casinos and if I were an INdian in Oklahoma and someone from Thailand asked me, I would be very excited about telling them all they wanted to know. Send your questions (everything we may want to know) to Christine. Find out why there are only 520+ left. What happened to them? You got a primary source who wants to help so ask everything!!!!!!
Good question, Ann. There are now more Casinos (places where you can gamble, just like Los Vegas,) than McDonalds in Oklahoma
In Oklahoma there is Indian land and non-Indian land. For years, Oklahoma was opposed to Casinos and voted them down. But, our state government cannot enforce law on Indian Land. Only Indian police officers can do that, and they can also invite the county sheriff and others, as he/she needs.
So, here is the history of Casinos in Okla.
1) Indians put up Smoke Shops, where you could by cigarettes, without having to pay all of those state taxes, on Indian Land.
2) Then they put up "Bingo Palaces" on Indian land, and everyone could go win "the BIG bucks" at Bingo.
3) Then their laws were re-enterpreted that the state had no right to stop gambling Casinos to be built. And, ... we now have more Gac... than Mc...'s around the state.
True, the casinos hire Indians first preferrences over other races.
Many years ago, before the Casinos, our state voted in to law, that we could have horse racing. So they built a huge, fancy horse racing place in OKC on North Martin Luther King. They were making money off of it. Horse racing couldn't compete by itself, against the Casinos, so they begged the state to allow them have a Casino inside the race track building, underneath where people sit to watch the races. We haven't been there, so I can't tell you what it's like.
We have 5 Casinos around Anadarko alone. There is an economic law, that says, "The more you flood the market with your product, the less price it will bring." That is my, in-lay terms, what the Economic Law says. I think we are fastly approaching that in Oklahoma, but, we have people, older folks, who get on buses in Texas and come up to gamble.
I called one of our local casinos and asked if they could be a sponsor for a Walk Against Drugs.
"We don't make enough money out here for stuff like that."
Do you buy that? I don't either. But, yes, the Casinos bring in a lot of money for the tribes. I would be interested in finding out where the other Casino is that the Tonkawa Tribe owns. The Tonkawa Tribe is one of the smallest tribes in Oklahoma.
There was a guy in Washington D.C., who was getting lots of money from tribes, and then using the money for other things, than to help the tribes build Casinos. It was and is a bad scandal.
A lot of our friends work in the Casino. Drema, our youngest, baby sits, for nothing, 2 kids, while her mother goes to work in the Casino as a dealer in Black Jack.
In the casino at Concho, a lady was playing a slot machine, when it rang up that she had won 5 million dollars. The people who operate that Casino, came and told her that the machine she was using didn't work right, and all that they would give her is $5000 dollars.
We have no "Gaming Comission in Oklahoma" that governs the Indian Casinos. If that lady had been in Vegas, she would have gotten the 5 million.
One of the gambling comissioners from Las Vegas said, "I feel sorry for all the people that go and gamble in Oklahoma, because there is not a comission that regulates and checks the machines and makes sure they are working fine."
Ask Dawina where the other Tonkawa Casino is. There is a big casino east of Ponca City, but I would think that one is on White Eagle Indian Land or Kaw.
Pappa Dale. I am glad you got an email from Dawena Pappan. Indian children are very cute. Tonkawa. Believe me, the Indian Gaming in the United States, is way out of hand. Enough, so, that Donald Trump is having temper tantrums over it.
One more thing is funny. There have been people who looked back in US history and found Indian Tribes that no longer exist. So they go out and find some Indians who have a very small part of their makeup as Indian blood, like 1/64. With one person known, the government has to recognize the tribe and therefore, the tribe can put up Casinos, and that is, Donald Trump's temper tantrums are about.
Maybe I can sleep after this. I'm not sure, but I don't think the Caddo Tribe has any Casinos right around here.
In Oklahoma there is Indian land and non-Indian land. For years, Oklahoma was opposed to Casinos and voted them down. But, our state government cannot enforce law on Indian Land. Only Indian police officers can do that, and they can also invite the county sheriff and others, as he/she needs.
So, here is the history of Casinos in Okla.
1) Indians put up Smoke Shops, where you could by cigarettes, without having to pay all of those state taxes, on Indian Land.
2) Then they put up "Bingo Palaces" on Indian land, and everyone could go win "the BIG bucks" at Bingo.
3) Then their laws were re-enterpreted that the state had no right to stop gambling Casinos to be built. And, ... we now have more Gac... than Mc...'s around the state.
True, the casinos hire Indians first preferrences over other races.
Many years ago, before the Casinos, our state voted in to law, that we could have horse racing. So they built a huge, fancy horse racing place in OKC on North Martin Luther King. They were making money off of it. Horse racing couldn't compete by itself, against the Casinos, so they begged the state to allow them have a Casino inside the race track building, underneath where people sit to watch the races. We haven't been there, so I can't tell you what it's like.
We have 5 Casinos around Anadarko alone. There is an economic law, that says, "The more you flood the market with your product, the less price it will bring." That is my, in-lay terms, what the Economic Law says. I think we are fastly approaching that in Oklahoma, but, we have people, older folks, who get on buses in Texas and come up to gamble.
I called one of our local casinos and asked if they could be a sponsor for a Walk Against Drugs.
"We don't make enough money out here for stuff like that."
Do you buy that? I don't either. But, yes, the Casinos bring in a lot of money for the tribes. I would be interested in finding out where the other Casino is that the Tonkawa Tribe owns. The Tonkawa Tribe is one of the smallest tribes in Oklahoma.
There was a guy in Washington D.C., who was getting lots of money from tribes, and then using the money for other things, than to help the tribes build Casinos. It was and is a bad scandal.
A lot of our friends work in the Casino. Drema, our youngest, baby sits, for nothing, 2 kids, while her mother goes to work in the Casino as a dealer in Black Jack.
In the casino at Concho, a lady was playing a slot machine, when it rang up that she had won 5 million dollars. The people who operate that Casino, came and told her that the machine she was using didn't work right, and all that they would give her is $5000 dollars.
We have no "Gaming Comission in Oklahoma" that governs the Indian Casinos. If that lady had been in Vegas, she would have gotten the 5 million.
One of the gambling comissioners from Las Vegas said, "I feel sorry for all the people that go and gamble in Oklahoma, because there is not a comission that regulates and checks the machines and makes sure they are working fine."
Ask Dawina where the other Tonkawa Casino is. There is a big casino east of Ponca City, but I would think that one is on White Eagle Indian Land or Kaw.
Pappa Dale. I am glad you got an email from Dawena Pappan. Indian children are very cute. Tonkawa. Believe me, the Indian Gaming in the United States, is way out of hand. Enough, so, that Donald Trump is having temper tantrums over it.
One more thing is funny. There have been people who looked back in US history and found Indian Tribes that no longer exist. So they go out and find some Indians who have a very small part of their makeup as Indian blood, like 1/64. With one person known, the government has to recognize the tribe and therefore, the tribe can put up Casinos, and that is, Donald Trump's temper tantrums are about.
Maybe I can sleep after this. I'm not sure, but I don't think the Caddo Tribe has any Casinos right around here.
I did a quick search Mr. Joon and found another website. It is "unofficial" but I bet the guy is a Gros Ventre Indian.
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Troy/6045/
go there and get the contact info at the bottom and email him right away.
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Troy/6045/
go there and get the contact info at the bottom and email him right away.
I've been away at the computer. Sorry I haven't gotten back to you. We went to "The Woody Guthried Festifal" at Okemah. We found several problems.
1) Okemah is a long way from here
2) There regular song stage doesn't open 'til late.
3) The Singing Festival itself, says no Dogs.
4) It was a 103 in the shade and we didn't bring any sun blockers, as is, ... huge umbrellas to cover us.
5) There was a misundersanding of the time we were to be there.
6) I only brought a smidgen of my harps. Forgot the Harmonica Case.
7) They hadn't ordered cheap, China harmonicas for each child.
8) They were closing up at 1:30, when we were supposed to be on.
9) Even in the shaded park, Sassie was too hot, and was more concerned about finding the shade than singing, although, she still sang from UNDER the concrete park table.
10) We decided to chuck the idea of staying nearby and attending the thing, Saturday. So we went to see our new grandbaby.
Now down to your questions, Mr. Joon. Like Thai people and Chinese, we have a "few" who likes to wear their native dress all the time, even to work.
There are many Indian men, who wear pony tales and choose to wear "Indianish" clothes to work. But, generally, neither of the two groups above are common.
There is, though, a way for them "... to manage their life - in traditional way 'and' modern way? It is called a Pow Wow. Almost every weekend, except in real cold weather, there are many Pow Wows, and this gives our American Indians a chance to dress up in their native garb and dance to "The Drum," in many different ways. Each tribe danced to THE DRUM in different ways, and the culture of both accept all ways of dancing to THE DRUM at a gathering or pow wows.
It is important that our American Indians go to college and graduate, and many do. Their graduation rate from Universities is about equal to Caucasians. Many start and never finish. Others become graduates.
There are not many jobs available around here for anybody. Since we have American Indian Regional offices here, we have more jobs than most, but those jobs give a preferrence to American Indians. Many of those jobs, require a college degree.
We have a prison not far away, that many work at. With Casinos around, there is much work in those, from card dealers and floor people. I haven't been in any of them, so I don't speak from experience.
American Indians are part of the American society. Most, dress like anyone else. Some, you cannot recognize them as Indian, even though their "pale faces" look like Caucasian. Some find work here, while others drive to OKC to work or Lawton. Many worked at manufacturing plants around here, but most of those have closed down. Only the shock absorber company, is still operatiing.
American Indians, have plenty of work to do. They have counselors, welfare workers, teachers, Social Workers for their tribes, police work for the town and even for the American Indians. Any house on Indian land, can be entered upon by an American Indian police officer, but they usually have members of our county sheriff officers go with them.
The best thing that American Indians can do is get their education from college, or from technical schools.
We also have lots of American Indians who are gifted in the areas of fine arts. American Indian arts and crafts are very important as a part of our economy.
All tribes must have Social Workers for each tribe represented. The same with many other "professional" jobs are available for each tribe.
On the way to Okemah, there were big signs up, wanting people to go to the "Sac and Fox" Casinos. Come back to this blog, later today, and I will have some pictures up about the Casinos.
Our youngest son, had several bands in high school. But his lead singer, in all of them, was a member of the Caddo Tribe. Their tribal headquarters are about 10 miles North of Anadarko, and they are expanding their tribal headquarters by much, new buildings because more jobs are required.
Each tribe has teams of workers who build new homes for tribal members or they remodel older homes, with grants from the government. There is a big new subdivision of Wichita Homes, about 4 miles from us. The houses are nice, and they are open to low-income American Indians and for low-income non-Indian members.
Have you looked at the Caddo Tribe's website. I haven't. It wasn't so long ago, that my webpage was the only one in this area. But, more and more, the Indian Tribal headquarters have webpages, and hire people to keep them up.
We used to keep lots of Indian students who was in trouble with the law. We were a "Certified State Short-term Shelter home," for about 20 years. Most of the teenager who were placed in our house were American Indian. Our last few years, we didn't have many students because now all tribes have their own Juvenile Short Term housing.
No question is a stupid question. We have many American Indians who work at The Riverside Indian School, which is located just north of Anadarko, so they have to have certified teachers, janitors, and house moms and dads, since the school is a full placement school, where room and board is available and taken by the majority of the students that attend there.
I hope this answers your questions. If I thought a student at my school was being abused, I would call our local state social worker, who would then call the student's tribal Social Worker and they would come to school to talk to the student.
1) Okemah is a long way from here
2) There regular song stage doesn't open 'til late.
3) The Singing Festival itself, says no Dogs.
4) It was a 103 in the shade and we didn't bring any sun blockers, as is, ... huge umbrellas to cover us.
5) There was a misundersanding of the time we were to be there.
6) I only brought a smidgen of my harps. Forgot the Harmonica Case.
7) They hadn't ordered cheap, China harmonicas for each child.
8) They were closing up at 1:30, when we were supposed to be on.
9) Even in the shaded park, Sassie was too hot, and was more concerned about finding the shade than singing, although, she still sang from UNDER the concrete park table.
10) We decided to chuck the idea of staying nearby and attending the thing, Saturday. So we went to see our new grandbaby.
Now down to your questions, Mr. Joon. Like Thai people and Chinese, we have a "few" who likes to wear their native dress all the time, even to work.
There are many Indian men, who wear pony tales and choose to wear "Indianish" clothes to work. But, generally, neither of the two groups above are common.
There is, though, a way for them "... to manage their life - in traditional way 'and' modern way? It is called a Pow Wow. Almost every weekend, except in real cold weather, there are many Pow Wows, and this gives our American Indians a chance to dress up in their native garb and dance to "The Drum," in many different ways. Each tribe danced to THE DRUM in different ways, and the culture of both accept all ways of dancing to THE DRUM at a gathering or pow wows.
It is important that our American Indians go to college and graduate, and many do. Their graduation rate from Universities is about equal to Caucasians. Many start and never finish. Others become graduates.
There are not many jobs available around here for anybody. Since we have American Indian Regional offices here, we have more jobs than most, but those jobs give a preferrence to American Indians. Many of those jobs, require a college degree.
We have a prison not far away, that many work at. With Casinos around, there is much work in those, from card dealers and floor people. I haven't been in any of them, so I don't speak from experience.
American Indians are part of the American society. Most, dress like anyone else. Some, you cannot recognize them as Indian, even though their "pale faces" look like Caucasian. Some find work here, while others drive to OKC to work or Lawton. Many worked at manufacturing plants around here, but most of those have closed down. Only the shock absorber company, is still operatiing.
American Indians, have plenty of work to do. They have counselors, welfare workers, teachers, Social Workers for their tribes, police work for the town and even for the American Indians. Any house on Indian land, can be entered upon by an American Indian police officer, but they usually have members of our county sheriff officers go with them.
The best thing that American Indians can do is get their education from college, or from technical schools.
We also have lots of American Indians who are gifted in the areas of fine arts. American Indian arts and crafts are very important as a part of our economy.
All tribes must have Social Workers for each tribe represented. The same with many other "professional" jobs are available for each tribe.
On the way to Okemah, there were big signs up, wanting people to go to the "Sac and Fox" Casinos. Come back to this blog, later today, and I will have some pictures up about the Casinos.
Our youngest son, had several bands in high school. But his lead singer, in all of them, was a member of the Caddo Tribe. Their tribal headquarters are about 10 miles North of Anadarko, and they are expanding their tribal headquarters by much, new buildings because more jobs are required.
Each tribe has teams of workers who build new homes for tribal members or they remodel older homes, with grants from the government. There is a big new subdivision of Wichita Homes, about 4 miles from us. The houses are nice, and they are open to low-income American Indians and for low-income non-Indian members.
Have you looked at the Caddo Tribe's website. I haven't. It wasn't so long ago, that my webpage was the only one in this area. But, more and more, the Indian Tribal headquarters have webpages, and hire people to keep them up.
We used to keep lots of Indian students who was in trouble with the law. We were a "Certified State Short-term Shelter home," for about 20 years. Most of the teenager who were placed in our house were American Indian. Our last few years, we didn't have many students because now all tribes have their own Juvenile Short Term housing.
No question is a stupid question. We have many American Indians who work at The Riverside Indian School, which is located just north of Anadarko, so they have to have certified teachers, janitors, and house moms and dads, since the school is a full placement school, where room and board is available and taken by the majority of the students that attend there.
I hope this answers your questions. If I thought a student at my school was being abused, I would call our local state social worker, who would then call the student's tribal Social Worker and they would come to school to talk to the student.
The Hopi Way
"The Indian Way' generally means, gathering, giving, and respect for their culture. The elders are important as they pass-on their culture to a new generation.
Honoring is an important part of The Indian Way. The members share with others whom they want to honor. They have specific songs that they sing about others. During Pow Wows, they will have dances for those honored, as those who are honored stand and others give money to them.
It is the Indian Way.
Like any nation, all Indian tribes have political disputers. As they did, many years ago when they were new to the Oklahoma homes, there were "full bloods" who wanted to live in ways to maintain their own, heritage, while, the younger Indians strove to be members of the new society.
In every tribe, like in every country, there are those who have differing opinions. American Indian politics is rocky in all tribes.
Tribes issue their own car license tags, with which they use the money for the own going of their American Indian way.
Indians are not punctual at pow wows. If a pow wow starts at 6:30, their members come when they can, late or later. They call it, "Indian time," and it joked about by every tribe.
Many Indians do not believe in going to Pow Wows. That was the past, today is today. So, like the US politics is "bipolar," so is the Indian Politics.
"The Indian Way' generally means, gathering, giving, and respect for their culture. The elders are important as they pass-on their culture to a new generation.
Honoring is an important part of The Indian Way. The members share with others whom they want to honor. They have specific songs that they sing about others. During Pow Wows, they will have dances for those honored, as those who are honored stand and others give money to them.
It is the Indian Way.
Like any nation, all Indian tribes have political disputers. As they did, many years ago when they were new to the Oklahoma homes, there were "full bloods" who wanted to live in ways to maintain their own, heritage, while, the younger Indians strove to be members of the new society.
In every tribe, like in every country, there are those who have differing opinions. American Indian politics is rocky in all tribes.
Tribes issue their own car license tags, with which they use the money for the own going of their American Indian way.
Indians are not punctual at pow wows. If a pow wow starts at 6:30, their members come when they can, late or later. They call it, "Indian time," and it joked about by every tribe.
Many Indians do not believe in going to Pow Wows. That was the past, today is today. So, like the US politics is "bipolar," so is the Indian Politics.
Bee,
I answered your questions and put them on your folder. I make lots of mistakes, but, luckily, they can all be redone on the Net.
Go to woody's file and look up the new pictures, and then on this one, you will find some new pictures.
The harmonica thing, turned out to be a bust. They hadn't purchased the harps like they said they would, and, eventhough our time was at 1:30, and we got there 10 minutes before 1:30 and they were shutting down.
It was 106 in the shade, so we decided to go back to the city. We couldn't take Sassie to the concert, which was out in the sun. We didn't bring anything that would have been able to cover us, either. Worse than that, I walked off and left most of my Harps at home.
I will enter the song contest next year.
I answered your questions and put them on your folder. I make lots of mistakes, but, luckily, they can all be redone on the Net.
Go to woody's file and look up the new pictures, and then on this one, you will find some new pictures.
The harmonica thing, turned out to be a bust. They hadn't purchased the harps like they said they would, and, eventhough our time was at 1:30, and we got there 10 minutes before 1:30 and they were shutting down.
It was 106 in the shade, so we decided to go back to the city. We couldn't take Sassie to the concert, which was out in the sun. We didn't bring anything that would have been able to cover us, either. Worse than that, I walked off and left most of my Harps at home.
I will enter the song contest next year.
Hello A. Dale
I did some research about Chickasaw tribe, this nation is very interesting and a lot of information to understand. But i wonder what is 'Breeds'that they mention and what is their tradition dance? Please help me if you can, I want my presentation is benefit for my classmate.
Thank you so much
I did some research about Chickasaw tribe, this nation is very interesting and a lot of information to understand. But i wonder what is 'Breeds'that they mention and what is their tradition dance? Please help me if you can, I want my presentation is benefit for my classmate.
Thank you so much
N@zz,
I have posted on one of the topics about "breeds," but I didn't mention the word itself, so you could understand it. My fault and I apologize.
There are "full-blooded" Indians and then there are not full-blooded Indians.
If a full blooded, which means he has no white or black people in his ancestry, Indian marries another full-blooded Indian, their children will be full blooded Indian.
If you have read all of the topics, the one about Edie Davis, shows him playing the guitar. He was a full blooded Indian. His mother was full Kiowa, and his daddy was Kiowa and Comanche. That means his blood had no non-Indian blood in his body.
But that is just a saying. It really means, that every one in his mother's and dad's family never married outside of the Indian races.
Their blood, though, is just like yours or mine. I am A positive blood. Some people have A negative blood. Indian peoples blood is no different. They can give blood and it is the same, exact blood that white, black or Thai, can be used by anyone with the same type of blood.
Think about yourself. Are you a "full-blooded" Thai, or do you have some Chinese in your history? If both sides of your family, never married anyone who is not a Thai, then in Indian terms, you would be a full-blooded Thai.
When the American Indians were moved to Oklahoma, being full blooded or not full blooded was an important issue. The "full-blooded Indians" wanted to keep their "old ways" of doing things, and felt like those who weren't full blooded, wanted to change the culture of the Indian, to be more like the "pale face" way of living.
If you type peoriatribe.com or org (it should be the last, but may not be,) you will see the man who is the "Chief" of their nation. He looks like the same color as A. Cecil, so he is not even close to being a full blooded Indian.
I was surprised about how the Tonkawa Indians figured out who were members of their tribe were determined - through the 1938 Tonkawa Roll. Most Indian Tribes determine their members by percentage blood. Some, you have to be 1/18th Indian, before you can be on the roll. Others take 1/8th. My granddaughter is 1/4th Kiowa, even though she is very dark like a full blooded Indian.
Darrin is white, and Iris's mother is one half Indian. That means, Iris is 1/4th. Read this and read the next few posts on this subject, after this one. Thanks for asking. The "blood" of an Indian is very important in their culture and is difficult for many non-Indians to understand. A "half-breed" was used by full blooded Indians as well as white people, in early times, to mean hateful. It is not that way any more.
Papa Dale
I have posted on one of the topics about "breeds," but I didn't mention the word itself, so you could understand it. My fault and I apologize.
There are "full-blooded" Indians and then there are not full-blooded Indians.
If a full blooded, which means he has no white or black people in his ancestry, Indian marries another full-blooded Indian, their children will be full blooded Indian.
If you have read all of the topics, the one about Edie Davis, shows him playing the guitar. He was a full blooded Indian. His mother was full Kiowa, and his daddy was Kiowa and Comanche. That means his blood had no non-Indian blood in his body.
But that is just a saying. It really means, that every one in his mother's and dad's family never married outside of the Indian races.
Their blood, though, is just like yours or mine. I am A positive blood. Some people have A negative blood. Indian peoples blood is no different. They can give blood and it is the same, exact blood that white, black or Thai, can be used by anyone with the same type of blood.
Think about yourself. Are you a "full-blooded" Thai, or do you have some Chinese in your history? If both sides of your family, never married anyone who is not a Thai, then in Indian terms, you would be a full-blooded Thai.
When the American Indians were moved to Oklahoma, being full blooded or not full blooded was an important issue. The "full-blooded Indians" wanted to keep their "old ways" of doing things, and felt like those who weren't full blooded, wanted to change the culture of the Indian, to be more like the "pale face" way of living.
If you type peoriatribe.com or org (it should be the last, but may not be,) you will see the man who is the "Chief" of their nation. He looks like the same color as A. Cecil, so he is not even close to being a full blooded Indian.
I was surprised about how the Tonkawa Indians figured out who were members of their tribe were determined - through the 1938 Tonkawa Roll. Most Indian Tribes determine their members by percentage blood. Some, you have to be 1/18th Indian, before you can be on the roll. Others take 1/8th. My granddaughter is 1/4th Kiowa, even though she is very dark like a full blooded Indian.
Darrin is white, and Iris's mother is one half Indian. That means, Iris is 1/4th. Read this and read the next few posts on this subject, after this one. Thanks for asking. The "blood" of an Indian is very important in their culture and is difficult for many non-Indians to understand. A "half-breed" was used by full blooded Indians as well as white people, in early times, to mean hateful. It is not that way any more.
Papa Dale
When I read the foundation of thehopiway . Some title I think isn't clear . Please explain me about the number of population of thehopiway and how they susist in the social in nowasday ? Thanks A. (Good Question)
I went to their website and read about "thehopiway." We have to remember that each tribe was completely different in their cultures. They had different languages, different dances, and different cultures.
"Thehopiway" means "the old way" of their culture. They want their children to remember the history of their nation and, therefore, they want their Indian Culture to be taught to all Hopi Indian children; and it is important.
The Cloud Dance, was a special dance, done only by the Hopi Tribe. No other tribe had a "Cloud Dance." The same is true by the Kiowa Tribe, Wichita, Comanche, Apache, ... etc.
Peoria Indians, where a "hunting, gathering" Indians. This means that they built their own houses and always stayed in the same place. Plains Indians had Tipis and moved their homes to follow the buffalo. Plains Indians had different ways than the Eastern and Northern American Indians, who stayed in the same place and lived by fishing, hunting, and gathering fruit and vegetables to eat. They also planted and gathered what they planted.
Buffalo hunting Indians, didn't plant foods or built permanent homes.
The Wichita Indians lived in Kansas, and they built permanent homes out of grass. Before white people came, the grass on the plains was 4 or 5 feet high. That is no more. Even in land that is not used, today, the grass never gets that tall. The tallness of the grass on the plains has gone the way of the "horney toad." Both are gone.
Again, most tribes consider their members by a percentage amount of Indian blood, which means that a person looking white, could still be a chief.
Used to, Wilma Mankiller was the Chief of the Cherokee Indians. Look her name up in google. There is lots of stuff on her.
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I went to their website and read about "thehopiway." We have to remember that each tribe was completely different in their cultures. They had different languages, different dances, and different cultures.
"Thehopiway" means "the old way" of their culture. They want their children to remember the history of their nation and, therefore, they want their Indian Culture to be taught to all Hopi Indian children; and it is important.
The Cloud Dance, was a special dance, done only by the Hopi Tribe. No other tribe had a "Cloud Dance." The same is true by the Kiowa Tribe, Wichita, Comanche, Apache, ... etc.
Peoria Indians, where a "hunting, gathering" Indians. This means that they built their own houses and always stayed in the same place. Plains Indians had Tipis and moved their homes to follow the buffalo. Plains Indians had different ways than the Eastern and Northern American Indians, who stayed in the same place and lived by fishing, hunting, and gathering fruit and vegetables to eat. They also planted and gathered what they planted.
Buffalo hunting Indians, didn't plant foods or built permanent homes.
The Wichita Indians lived in Kansas, and they built permanent homes out of grass. Before white people came, the grass on the plains was 4 or 5 feet high. That is no more. Even in land that is not used, today, the grass never gets that tall. The tallness of the grass on the plains has gone the way of the "horney toad." Both are gone.
Again, most tribes consider their members by a percentage amount of Indian blood, which means that a person looking white, could still be a chief.
Used to, Wilma Mankiller was the Chief of the Cherokee Indians. Look her name up in google. There is lots of stuff on her.
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Choctaw Indians.
There are 5 tribes known as the 5 Civilized Tribes. 4 Cs and one S. Cherokee, Choctaw, Chickasaw, Creek and Seminole, although virtually all of the Indians who lived on the eastern side of the Mississippi River, would have been considered "Civilized Tribes." It means they had permanent homes, didn't follow the buffalo, and, in general, did not kill other Indian Tribes for land-use.
On the western side of the Mississippi, among the plain Indians, once horses were introduced, they found it easier to fight other Indian tribes for land territory.
The Choctaw Tribe, now, has a very "robust" plan for their tribal members. That means that they want their tribal money spent in such a way that it will give jobs to their people and put money in there banks. Today, much of it is being accomplished by using Money made through their Casinos.
The Casinos make a lot of money and provide lots of jobs for their people. Notice the new pictures I have up. That casino belongs to the "Sac and Fox" Tribe.
The Chickasaw Tribe, has a lot of television commercials, explaining how they are working to make sure their tribal members are educated, even beyond high school, and give their members a lot of good choices in jobs.
All Indian tribes can take advantage of Free health care. I cannot go into their Indian Clinic to go to a doctor because I am not on the roll of any Indian Tribe.
We also have an Indian hospital in Lawton where their people can all get medical help for free. Iris was born in the Indian Hospital in Lawton
I feel bad because Marcella and I were not in the hospital when Iris was born. But even so, Iris loves us and we love her. I always tell her before she leaves, "But you haven't been here long enough for me to be used to you." She loves it when I say that, and we hug and kiss and I act like I am crying.
Papa Dale
There are 5 tribes known as the 5 Civilized Tribes. 4 Cs and one S. Cherokee, Choctaw, Chickasaw, Creek and Seminole, although virtually all of the Indians who lived on the eastern side of the Mississippi River, would have been considered "Civilized Tribes." It means they had permanent homes, didn't follow the buffalo, and, in general, did not kill other Indian Tribes for land-use.
On the western side of the Mississippi, among the plain Indians, once horses were introduced, they found it easier to fight other Indian tribes for land territory.
The Choctaw Tribe, now, has a very "robust" plan for their tribal members. That means that they want their tribal money spent in such a way that it will give jobs to their people and put money in there banks. Today, much of it is being accomplished by using Money made through their Casinos.
The Casinos make a lot of money and provide lots of jobs for their people. Notice the new pictures I have up. That casino belongs to the "Sac and Fox" Tribe.
The Chickasaw Tribe, has a lot of television commercials, explaining how they are working to make sure their tribal members are educated, even beyond high school, and give their members a lot of good choices in jobs.
All Indian tribes can take advantage of Free health care. I cannot go into their Indian Clinic to go to a doctor because I am not on the roll of any Indian Tribe.
We also have an Indian hospital in Lawton where their people can all get medical help for free. Iris was born in the Indian Hospital in Lawton
I feel bad because Marcella and I were not in the hospital when Iris was born. But even so, Iris loves us and we love her. I always tell her before she leaves, "But you haven't been here long enough for me to be used to you." She loves it when I say that, and we hug and kiss and I act like I am crying.
Papa Dale
Also, be sure and look at the new category of singing and music, called Spiritual, to Rag, to Jazz. Be sure and click on the Wynton Marsalis's homepage. You will hear him playing the trumpet. Wyntenmarselas.net. You will experience, the greates jazz teacher in the world. Believe me, if A Cec was teaching jazz in Thailand, Wynton would figure out a way to go over there.
http://www.marsalismusic.com/content.cfm?selection=doc.15
Copy and put in browser and see how famous is the Marsalis music family. You have to meet his family and you can, here on the net.
Copy and put in browser and see how famous is the Marsalis music family. You have to meet his family and you can, here on the net.
I hope all of you try to look at the new pages. I would love to hear your comments. What is fun to do, is copy the name of a tribe and then put it in google, to see what kind of tribe it is and where was it located and is located now. Good luck. I am doing the same thing, right now.
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Bee,
I pretty much resaid what I wrote on that site, so there is no big deal, that you are missing.
Many Indians are Catholic and North American Baptists. Mormons tried to adopt them because they think they are important for their religious history. They can no longer do that.
Most Indians pray the same way you and I do, except the elders still pray in their native language. Anybody can pray anywhere they want to in the United States. But we cannot force people to pray.
There are some Indian Traditions that the outside world cannot be a part of. One of them might be a "Sweat Lodge." What they do is build a round tent and then start a fire in it. As the fire gets hotter, they put big rocks in the fire that retains heat.
When it gets hot enough, they go in and use water to throw on the rocks and the steam gets all over them. It is like steam baths in Thailand, only this is an important tradition for them.
Once they have spent several hours in the swet lodge, the go down to the river and jump in the cold water.
Go here.
http://www.cyberbohemia.com/Pages/historysweatlod.htm
Another thing they do, is use hickory or sweet maple chips and use a feather to bless a new building. Somewhere, I have a picture of Iris, as the chiefs blessed the new Indian Education Building on our campus. I'll see if I can find it and if I do, I will put on this site.
I hope I answered your question, Bee, but if not, tell me again and I will try to get it right, next time.
Marcella and I have been to a lot of Indian Churches, and I have sang at them as well, using my Ovation guitar.
I pretty much resaid what I wrote on that site, so there is no big deal, that you are missing.
Many Indians are Catholic and North American Baptists. Mormons tried to adopt them because they think they are important for their religious history. They can no longer do that.
Most Indians pray the same way you and I do, except the elders still pray in their native language. Anybody can pray anywhere they want to in the United States. But we cannot force people to pray.
There are some Indian Traditions that the outside world cannot be a part of. One of them might be a "Sweat Lodge." What they do is build a round tent and then start a fire in it. As the fire gets hotter, they put big rocks in the fire that retains heat.
When it gets hot enough, they go in and use water to throw on the rocks and the steam gets all over them. It is like steam baths in Thailand, only this is an important tradition for them.
Once they have spent several hours in the swet lodge, the go down to the river and jump in the cold water.
Go here.
http://www.cyberbohemia.com/Pages/historysweatlod.htm
Another thing they do, is use hickory or sweet maple chips and use a feather to bless a new building. Somewhere, I have a picture of Iris, as the chiefs blessed the new Indian Education Building on our campus. I'll see if I can find it and if I do, I will put on this site.
I hope I answered your question, Bee, but if not, tell me again and I will try to get it right, next time.
Marcella and I have been to a lot of Indian Churches, and I have sang at them as well, using my Ovation guitar.
Patcharaporn,
I temporarily lost my sanity and posted a note under your name under your last blog. Go there and look. I have had time to check out the url, and it doesn't look as interesting as I thought it did, but the map is worth seeing.
I have been struggling to sleep for the last 4 days. I'll be putting up an Indian Exposition Parade Blog, tonight, so be excited about it.
I did go a little farther into the hits on MSNBC search, and I found a great one. Confederate Tribes of Collville, huh?
You wouldn't think they are important, but, ... wrong!!! Dig this.
" This museum is filled with history collected by the Colville Confederated Tribes (Moses/Columbia, Wenatchee, Okanogan, Entiat-Chelan, Methow, Nez Perce, Palus, Nespelem, Colville, San Poil and Lake). A gift center occupies the ground floor, where you can buy Native crafts, quilts, books, cards, posters, etc, all related to Native culture. Jim Boyd's music is sold here. He is ne of our favorite musicians."
You can find this quoted here.
http://www.spokaneoutdoors.com/colvmu.htm
Now, it is amazing to me all of the tribes you students have discovered, but in this group there is one of the most famous tribes in America. A whole movie was made on its leader, Chief Joseph. The tribe is Nez Perce.
Now, I know A Cec has never been to The War College, but I am betting that they study Chief Joseph as part of their currucula. The American Army was dazzled by this man's ability to keep HIS PEOPLE from being captured. Just another story of the "Trail of Tears" experienced by virtually all tribes.
When I was a teenager, I read the book by the Chief's name. You might want to put the individual tribes names in google and find out about them. Also, I am wondering about this guy named David Boyd.
You students make my day, even when I am so tired and back strained that I have to use tooth picks to hold up both. On thing about Sassy, her favorite place, besides being by me, is being in bed.
I'm praying I sleep, tonight, otherwise it will be 96 hours with little sleep. If you can, stay away from "sleep disorders," do it. No, I drink no caffeine or injest it, either. But me? I laugh at God. I don't know why He plastered me with degenerative arthritis, but I have the last laugh. I don't have to go to work, tomorrow or the next day, and I can monitor your writings anytime I am awake - even at 2:44 or 1:44, to favorite times for my body-clock to wake up.
Now that is COOOL!! Hope you all enjoyed Nathan. At his age, I wasn't nearly the musician that he is. He learned to play the guitar in the 6th grade. In high school, he started a tradition of forming bands. He had 3 of them. I've never had a band. I learned to play it, the 8 years after I graduated from college, by using it in the classrooms.
Funny thing is, when I was doing my post-graduate classes to be certified as an elementary counselor in Edmond, we had to do a presentation. Of course, I used the guitar and sang "Sixteen Tons."
All the students started complaining because, "... that's not fair. We can't do that." Same exact thing happened when I got my masters degree. Hee, Hee, Hee.
I'm working on Garage Band 3 right now, and I think I have my neighbor talked in to letting me put one of my old computers in his house and get him on the Internet.
Thanks,
Papa Dale - You make my day!"
I temporarily lost my sanity and posted a note under your name under your last blog. Go there and look. I have had time to check out the url, and it doesn't look as interesting as I thought it did, but the map is worth seeing.
I have been struggling to sleep for the last 4 days. I'll be putting up an Indian Exposition Parade Blog, tonight, so be excited about it.
I did go a little farther into the hits on MSNBC search, and I found a great one. Confederate Tribes of Collville, huh?
You wouldn't think they are important, but, ... wrong!!! Dig this.
" This museum is filled with history collected by the Colville Confederated Tribes (Moses/Columbia, Wenatchee, Okanogan, Entiat-Chelan, Methow, Nez Perce, Palus, Nespelem, Colville, San Poil and Lake). A gift center occupies the ground floor, where you can buy Native crafts, quilts, books, cards, posters, etc, all related to Native culture. Jim Boyd's music is sold here. He is ne of our favorite musicians."
You can find this quoted here.
http://www.spokaneoutdoors.com/colvmu.htm
Now, it is amazing to me all of the tribes you students have discovered, but in this group there is one of the most famous tribes in America. A whole movie was made on its leader, Chief Joseph. The tribe is Nez Perce.
Now, I know A Cec has never been to The War College, but I am betting that they study Chief Joseph as part of their currucula. The American Army was dazzled by this man's ability to keep HIS PEOPLE from being captured. Just another story of the "Trail of Tears" experienced by virtually all tribes.
When I was a teenager, I read the book by the Chief's name. You might want to put the individual tribes names in google and find out about them. Also, I am wondering about this guy named David Boyd.
You students make my day, even when I am so tired and back strained that I have to use tooth picks to hold up both. On thing about Sassy, her favorite place, besides being by me, is being in bed.
I'm praying I sleep, tonight, otherwise it will be 96 hours with little sleep. If you can, stay away from "sleep disorders," do it. No, I drink no caffeine or injest it, either. But me? I laugh at God. I don't know why He plastered me with degenerative arthritis, but I have the last laugh. I don't have to go to work, tomorrow or the next day, and I can monitor your writings anytime I am awake - even at 2:44 or 1:44, to favorite times for my body-clock to wake up.
Now that is COOOL!! Hope you all enjoyed Nathan. At his age, I wasn't nearly the musician that he is. He learned to play the guitar in the 6th grade. In high school, he started a tradition of forming bands. He had 3 of them. I've never had a band. I learned to play it, the 8 years after I graduated from college, by using it in the classrooms.
Funny thing is, when I was doing my post-graduate classes to be certified as an elementary counselor in Edmond, we had to do a presentation. Of course, I used the guitar and sang "Sixteen Tons."
All the students started complaining because, "... that's not fair. We can't do that." Same exact thing happened when I got my masters degree. Hee, Hee, Hee.
I'm working on Garage Band 3 right now, and I think I have my neighbor talked in to letting me put one of my old computers in his house and get him on the Internet.
Thanks,
Papa Dale - You make my day!"
A Cec,
I'm not even thinking about going out to Indian City. The parade took me two days and a lunesta to get some sleep.
I'm not even thinking about going out to Indian City. The parade took me two days and a lunesta to get some sleep.
Nice post good work expecting more from your end, amazing to see all assemble the all the indian people in the single place and sharing them thoughts.
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